
No surprise here. I've long thought she's majorly over-rated. She over acts. I thought she was awful in Hereditary (an awful film to boot). She was emoting SO hard, it was so showy and "look at me, I'm an Actress". I'd say she's desperate to win some awards.
Not a fan. Who's with me?
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 84 | September 19, 2018 7:11 AM |
While Hereditary was this years most POS movie, it wasn't her fault. I mean, she didn't write or direct that shitshow. I've enjoyed her in other films.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | September 14, 2018 2:05 PM |
You’re terrible Muriel!
by Anonymous | reply 3 | September 14, 2018 2:08 PM |
Her teeth look like fake fingernails.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | September 14, 2018 2:13 PM |
She's an amazing actress. Yet again, another negative OP who starts a thread just to trash someone and feels their opinion matters.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | September 14, 2018 2:37 PM |
Must be that time of year when actors being touted for award season start getting the backlash.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | September 14, 2018 2:55 PM |
Shit, I was looking forward to Hereditary. Was waiting till it was rentable.
If you disliked Hereditary, did you like The Witch, It Follows, Babadook, or Get Out?
I loved all of those except Get Out. The plot made no sense, it was like a poor man's M Night Shamalamadingdong. Terribly overrated.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | September 14, 2018 3:10 PM |
[quote] If you disliked Hereditary, did you like The Witch, It Follows, Babadook, or Get Out?
All of these were shit except for The Witch, which was actually pretty decent, with a cop out ending.
Hereditary is a prime candidate for my 10 Worst of the Year this year. It Follows and The Babadook were both on there in their respective years. Get Out wasn't as bad as those, just a mediocre ripoff of The Stepford Wives that pretended to have something to say about race.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | September 14, 2018 3:12 PM |
Not with you at all. I think she's one of the truly great actors of her generation.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | September 14, 2018 3:15 PM |
I fondly remember that bit from Popbitch where she approaches a total stranger and hands him a Coldplay CD album saying "You want it? It's shit!".
by Anonymous | reply 11 | September 14, 2018 3:15 PM |
She gets a lifetime pass for Muriel’s Wedding.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | September 14, 2018 3:17 PM |
I don’t like how her looks changed. Fake blonde, fake tan, anorexic. These changes made her go fro goofy/sweet looking to UGLY.
Loved her in Muriel’s Wedding, Clockwatchers, 6th Sense.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | September 14, 2018 3:22 PM |
I thought United States of Tara was brilliant and underrated.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | September 14, 2018 3:26 PM |
I dunno. I liked Hereditary. I didn't love it but it was an intense movie. As for Toni being a diva I've often wondered she or Rachel Griffiths is worse. Probably Toni since she has the bigger career.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | September 14, 2018 3:28 PM |
[quote]I thought United States of Tara was brilliant and underrated.
But perhaps a bit more autobiographical than she would like to acknowledge.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | September 14, 2018 3:29 PM |
Don't believe it. She works constantly. No one would hire her if she was a terror. Have you seen the movie "Japanese Story?" She's terrific in that and the soundtrack is incredible.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | September 14, 2018 3:57 PM |
[quote]If you disliked Hereditary, did you like The Witch, It Follows, Babadook, or Get Out?
The babadook is a psychological horror, with emphasis on psychological. It's a perfect film; writing, directing, acting.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | September 14, 2018 4:44 PM |
I would watch her read a phone book...if they still had phone books.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | September 14, 2018 4:47 PM |
Toni Collett is as good as a ABBA song.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | September 14, 2018 5:27 PM |
The Babadook was the biggest piece of shit in the past 10 years. The Emperor had no clothes.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | September 14, 2018 6:31 PM |
She's an excellent and diverse actress, and gives it her all. She is most definitely not starved and carved like most of her peers, and has that quality I adore in Australian actors--they see acting as a craft, a job, and they do their jobs extremely well. No affectation, no obsession with celebrity, just talent and skill. I loved her in "Little Miss Sunshine" and even loved her in "Velvet Goldmine."
If we're going to talk about horror movies, I agree with R21 about "The Babadook," but "It Follows" was an absolutely laughable mountain of crap. Nothing scary about it, nothing coherent or cohesive, far worse than "The Babadook" in terms of naked emperors.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | September 14, 2018 6:47 PM |
I thought the first half of It Follows was promising, and had a good vibe to it (and was shot wonderfully) but the 2nd half was so ridiculous that it not only fell apart completely but actually angered me as a viewer. And his new movie Under the Silver Lake looks like a pretentious pile of shit.
However- the guy who made It Comes at Night deserves a special place in hell. He's made two films in a row that were frustratingly awful, the first being Krisha. I will never watch another movie with his name attached.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | September 14, 2018 6:53 PM |
R13 apart from ageing, her looks haven’t changed that much. She had the same look before Muriel’s Wedding. She put on weight for that movie - 18 kilos - then lost it again once she had finished it.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | September 15, 2018 2:39 AM |
I don't buy it. A friend of mine was a medical consultant on some show -- I don't remember which one, but he is a doctor and had to explain to Toni, who was playing a doctor, what all the terms were, etc - and he said she was incredibly kind and smart.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | September 15, 2018 3:02 AM |
Vintage gossip: “Collette, Toni. Is criminally underused by Hollywood. Recovering bulemic. Linked with Jonathan Rhys-Myers and Michael Stipe.”
So she’s a lesbian?
I think she’s a good actress.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | September 15, 2018 3:19 AM |
I just remember her in that movie - forget the name - where she played a nun with a shaved slit.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | September 15, 2018 3:22 AM |
I don't buy it, either. She seems dedicated to her work and not to celebrity.
Were there rumors about Rachel Griffith being difficult in the past? I know of someone who had a good experience working on the same project with her a couple if years ago. Apparently, no vanity there.
Anyone who trashes The Babadook never set in a film class. Everyone's a film critic, no matter how little they know about film.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | September 15, 2018 3:31 AM |
Correction = never sat in a film class
by Anonymous | reply 30 | September 15, 2018 3:33 AM |
What "diva antics?" I never heard of her being a diva anywhere. Anyway, she's a great actress, probably one of the best around right now.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | September 15, 2018 3:35 AM |
[quote] Anyone who trashes The Babadook never set in a film class.
Hate to prove you wrong, but I trashed it and I'm a five time produced and released filmmaker, documentary and narrative, and have an MFA in film (as useless and overpriced as it was).
by Anonymous | reply 32 | September 15, 2018 4:17 AM |
And no, I'm NOT Caspar Andreas. : P
by Anonymous | reply 33 | September 15, 2018 4:18 AM |
Have you made a film as successful as Babadook, R32?
by Anonymous | reply 34 | September 15, 2018 4:49 AM |
I liked Bababook very much and love the lead actress. Heredity’s ending ruined. Toni is great but not great enough to save mother. The ending was bat shit crazy.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | September 15, 2018 4:58 AM |
I wasn't aware The Babadook was successful.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | September 15, 2018 6:24 AM |
I love Collette, you are just a cunt OP.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | September 15, 2018 6:38 AM |
The article referenced by OP is from the Murdoch press - best ignored.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | September 15, 2018 6:42 AM |
Yes, it was, R37. There was a big frenzy in Hollywood around Jennifer Kent; every producer and studio wanted to make a deal with her for her next film. I was told that Megan Ellison was in talks with Kent, but then nothing happened and Kent made her second film in Australia.
[quote]According to The Sydney Morning Herald, director Jennifer Kent was "deluged" with film scripts from the United States after the success of her debut film, The Babadook (2014), but decided to focus on writing and directing The Nightingale.[6] IndieWire reported that shooting for The Nightingale began on location in Tasmania in March 2017.[7]
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 40 | September 15, 2018 7:00 AM |
OP here - the article contains direct quotes from people who worked on the series. Why would they lie? And the story wasn't just printed in the Murdoch press. I believe it. There's a prickly, off energy about her, especially in that shit bomb Hereditary. I think she has bought into her own hype. Also I agree with the poser who said she looks horrid these days - far too thin, drawn and haggard in the face, as if she hasn't eaten a carb in 8 years. Not a fan. FWIW I fucking LOVE Muriel's Wedding. SHe was incredible in that. These days, she just tries too hard
by Anonymous | reply 41 | September 15, 2018 7:02 AM |
Is the BBC show any good?
by Anonymous | reply 42 | September 15, 2018 7:09 AM |
She's an excellent actresses OP, you just have bad taste.
She's way more skilled and versatile than Cate Blanchett.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | September 15, 2018 7:11 AM |
Classic Oscar smear. OP, how much are you getting paid ?
by Anonymous | reply 44 | September 15, 2018 7:23 AM |
No it wasn't, R40. It grossed less than $1m. For a horror movie. a HORROR movie. That's not even a flop, that's a fucking disaster. Don't give a shit how much it cost or how much they spent on P&A, horror mints money.
And if she was "deluged" with offers yet we've never seen another film from her, then that's probably just a weeeee bit of hyperbole. No one turns down money. Money gives you freedom.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | September 15, 2018 7:25 AM |
Lovely Toni is one of our favorite guests in Riomaggiore. My partner adores her, as do our dogs. Plus she can cook and has decent Italian and perfect French.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | September 15, 2018 8:08 AM |
This is typical of Murdoch’s Australian press, probably not a shred of truth to it. Post-early Oscar buzz for Hereditary (which is NEVER going to happen) there’s an insidious implication that doing a BBC drama is a come down for her. That’s what this is about.
I loathed The Babadook, that awful child, and stupid book - they probably tortured Manafort with that movie to get him to turn.
The Witch was all right - more historical than scare fest, it was interesting.
Hereditary was just ridiculous - despite a committed performance by Collette - and never recovered after that creepy little girl lost her head.
Loved Get Out - still love Get Out - but it was best seen on opening weekend in a theatre full of black people. If you didn’t do that, you really missed out. It was like a rollercoaster ride.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | September 15, 2018 9:59 AM |
This Oscar hit piece on on Toni smacks of the same kind of Hail Mary grenade lobbed at Brett Kavanaugh.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | September 15, 2018 11:43 AM |
Where there's smoke there's fire
by Anonymous | reply 49 | September 15, 2018 12:06 PM |
She looks like a real woman, which is just fine. She's a character actress, not a romantic leading lady type, like Frances McDormand. McDormand is homely as a horse, but I think she gets better roles that way.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | September 15, 2018 9:28 PM |
I think she's a great working actress. She's along the lines of Melissa Leo and Margot Martindale!
by Anonymous | reply 51 | September 15, 2018 9:33 PM |
How about we finish the toy after the quiz, bitch.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | September 15, 2018 9:36 PM |
“The Babadook” started out fucking terrifying but devolved into melodrama and overwrought special effects. That’s my criticism, and I have the same for “It”.
My bloodthirsty kids love that movie. They’re not scared of it at all, and love when he pushes his cousin out of the treehouse. They cheer and jeer it.
I think “The Sixth Sense” was rather perfect, speaking of Collette.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | September 16, 2018 4:07 AM |
Jamie Lee traps Michael Myers in her basement and sets him on fire. All three Strode women survive.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 54 | September 18, 2018 12:41 AM |
MY LIFE'S AS GOOD AS AN ABBA SONG
by Anonymous | reply 55 | September 18, 2018 12:43 AM |
I just rewatched the craptastic move Connie and Carla, even worse than I remember, but not a bad time. What i most noticed was that Toni was so far and away the best actor in the movie, that it was if she was in a different movie. She gave her slight role depth and humor and even allowed the make up artist to go all the way in the right direction. One of my favorite actresses!
by Anonymous | reply 56 | September 18, 2018 12:49 AM |
R42 I thought it was terrible so gave up after the first episode. Only 2 have been shown so far so maybe it will improve but its flopped ratings wise. Toni is good but wasted in this. I don't know what made her sign on unless she felt the chance to lead a show was a rarity now.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | September 18, 2018 1:07 AM |
Having the name Toni (god forbid Toni Ann) is the kiss of death. Right up there with Gina and Nancy. Born losers
by Anonymous | reply 59 | September 18, 2018 1:44 AM |
I love you R32. Love the fancy people this site attracts. And i agree with you. History of film was a prerequisite at my university. Their graduates are always well rounded.
I'm in the camp that considers original Blair Witch to be a masterpiece.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | September 18, 2018 1:53 AM |
Hated her in "Muriel's Wedding", but then I hated that film and everyone in it. Victim-is-really-self-centered narcissist. Next!. The best acting in the film was Rachelle Griffiths tumor-sorry, I laughed out loud at her standpipe slide. What a pile of koala pellets.
LOVED her in "The Velvet Goldmine" . We all know who her character was, but was Mrs. Jones really the encouraging, dutiful companion portrayed in the film? Who cares, it was a great romp..our hero working through his cross-dressing perio d, then becoming Kate Hepburn through the Hunky Dory time only to finally emerge as Ziggy. The Roxy Music-heavy soundtrack must have annoyed Bowie no end.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | September 18, 2018 6:24 AM |
Toni Colette's always been very talented and I don't recall a lot of diva tales. Her work is often more interesting than that of her peers. She makes some good choices in roles or makes something worthwhile out of bad roles she takes.
That Tara thing was pure genius and I was prepared to dislike it. I don't usually enjoy multiple personality stories.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | September 18, 2018 6:38 AM |
OP = Shit-stirring contrarian trolling for social interaction because he has nothing valid/ interesting/ new/ newsworthy to offer.
Datalounge has become so dreary with the bipolars, autistics and garden-variety losers grasping for attention by playing Devil's Advocate against the conventional wisdom.
Most who've seen Hereditary and Collette like them.
So OP can jump back to hell.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | September 18, 2018 9:18 AM |
I love Toni, love all of her work, including Hereditary.
OP is probably friendless.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | September 18, 2018 9:25 AM |
I really like her and R12 is 100% correct.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | September 18, 2018 11:47 AM |
I love The Babadook, The Witch, It Follows, Hereditary and Get Out (although I wouldn't say GO is horror really, more like social satire). I can't relate to what several of you are saying, at all.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | September 18, 2018 11:55 AM |
[quote] Most who've seen Hereditary and Collette like them.
On the contrary, while Collette has received praise, even from people who felt differently about the film, it's pretty much been universally loathed by audiences and the exit scores were terrible, the RT audience percentage and Cinemascore grades were very low, especially compared to the reviews. Word of mouth on this film was dismal which is why it did so poorly overall. A wide release horror film with the sorts of reviews Hereditary got should have grossed double what it did.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | September 18, 2018 1:38 PM |
R8 I enjoyed The Witch, It Follows, The Babadook and Get Out. If you liked most of those movies, I’d say there’s a decent chance you’ll also like Hereditary. I did; it’s easily my favourite horror movie this year so far.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | September 18, 2018 1:59 PM |
R69 No, it did not do badly at the boxoffice. First off, the film was released by A24, which is not a major distributor; they don’t have the resources to invest as much in marketing as a major studio. Hereditary is the second most successful film they’ve ever distributed domestically (just a few million behind Lady Bird). It only opened to $13 million, which limited its total gross (unless you’re saying its opening weekend was also the result of poor word of mouth). Second weekend drop was under 50%, which is good for a horror film.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | September 18, 2018 2:20 PM |
[quote] No, it did not do badly at the boxoffice. First off, the film was released by A24, which is not a major distributor; they don’t have the resources to invest as much in marketing as a major studio. Hereditary is the second most successful film they’ve ever distributed domestically (just a few million behind Lady Bird). It only opened to $13 million, which limited its total gross (unless you’re saying its opening weekend was also the result of poor word of mouth). Second weekend drop was under 50%, which is good for a horror film.
It doesn't matter who the distributor is (and right now, A24 is near the top of the list of independent distributors), NO ONE is going to take a film out on close to 3000 screens in the first week without a proper P&A support. First off- the big theater chains aren't going to book a film that doesn't have the marketing behind it. You may get a Laemmle or an Arclight to grab a limited release film, because that's their brand, and that's where people who like art house fare usually go. But Hereditary opened at several major theater chains and they won't give you a screen if they don't see that you have sufficient television and print advertising. (I don't understand the print part since I can't think of anyone who still looks at the newspaper to see what's playing, but...)
Studios/Distributors (even the majors) rarely fund the P&A for their releases anymore. you bring in an outside investor(s) who is last in/first out with the money and they are responsible for marketing funds, most of the time get an EP credit and if the film does well, can stand to make a nice chunk of change since they get first crack at the returns. I actually did this for a living not too long ago, match financiers with films looking for marketing funding. I've done it for tiny indies and I've done it for studios such as Universal.
Minimum P&A you're going out with for a wide release is $15m (unless you're contractually bound to release a film on a large number of screens and know it's going to be a dog, though that rarely happens anymore. The minimum number of screens is much lower today.) A24 had high hopes for Hereditary and it was basically their yearly spring "This horror movie is the best, most scariest horror movie you've ever seen" release, only this time, they felt they could risk going wide immediately.
If the film had had better word of mouth, you would have seen a much slower week to week drop in grosses, because that's how they marketed this film (which is a bad strategy for a wide release. You don't use the same marketing strategies for a wide release as you do a platform one. But I think the guys at A24 have become a little big for their britches and their view of their reputation is somewhat inflated.
But go look at the audience ratings, Cinemascore, etc. and you'll see that they were in direct conflict to that of the (hyperbolic) reviews. Audiences HATED this film.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | September 18, 2018 3:06 PM |
Cinemascores are lower on average for all horror films. In this case, the Cinemascore doesn't necessarily mean all audiences hated; just the opening night audiences they polled did. But that could have been because the marketing led them to believe the film was something different than what they actually got (which often results in a poor Cinemascore). And even if audiences did hate it, their dislike for the film certainly didn't manifest itself in the same way as it typically does with films with poor word of mouth (which is a huge 2nd weekend drop). I'm fairly sure the domestic opening and total were viewed as a success by nearly everyone.
I'm not sure what you mean by "that's how they marketed this film"? They marketed it to have low weekend-to-weekend drops? As opposed to what? The film finished with about a 3.2 multiplier from its opening weekend gross, which is very good for a horror film. Compare that to something like Happy Death Day, which had a much better Cinemascore but a much worse multiplier. But that's also a more straight forward film, the concept of which can be laid out simply in a trailer (which results in moviegoers knowing exactly what they're getting when they show up on opening night when the Cinemascore is generated).
by Anonymous | reply 74 | September 19, 2018 2:32 AM |
She still gave the best performance by an actress this year so far (Hereditary).
by Anonymous | reply 75 | September 19, 2018 2:44 AM |
Love her as Muriel, thought she was okay in whatever that ghost thing was where what's-his-name finds out he's been dead all along, couldn't name one other project she's been accociated with.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | September 19, 2018 2:52 AM |
R76 “accociated”? That’s sublime.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | September 19, 2018 3:42 AM |
What I meant by that is- A24's strategy, barring maybe three other releases, is platform, good reviews and word of mouth. It's almost impossible to make an out of gate wide release work on WOM as your primary strategy. It's a huge gamble because if you're doing a wide release, then an enormous chunk of your P&A is spent on pre-release marketing. You have very little to draw from in the account after week 2 and if the film doesn't connect with an audience, then you're never going to get your P&A investor to pony up an incremental marketing spend.
Compare this to something like Crazy Rich Asians in terms of marketing. Warner Bros spent a ton on marketing for this thing. Yet, they knew they could also rely on word of mouth, which is a huge gamble. They test screened the hell out of it, got great numbers, pulled a huge marketing blitz to make everyone aware of it whether or not they had any interest in seeing it, and THEN let the WOM do its job.
It doesn't matter if Cinemascore was the first week or not. Who else do you get coming out to see a movie the first weekend but horror fans. And if they don't like a horror movie, then no one will. The best you're going to get if you bothered to run exit scores the 2nd week would be people saying either- Yup, they were right. it's terrible, or- Well, it wasn't as bad as people said. Yeah, that'll help pack 'em in.
You're right, the film did have a 3.25x gross, but for a wide release with a $44m gross, that's not so hot. This year Show Dogs, Superfly, Teen Titans Go to the Movies, Slender Man and The Spy Who Dumped Me all had approximately the same multiplier. All had approximately the same opening weekend theater count as Hereditary, too. All were either disappointments or outright flops. And there were several films who matched Hereditary's opening screen count and opening weekend box office take and went on to gross more.
In the end, Hereditary will probably see a small profit with ancillary sales. Horror usually does. But that's because its overall budget and P&A spend probably went no more than $30-$35m and it grossed decently abroad. But that's not really the argument (not that we're arguing). We're mostly discussing audience reaction.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | September 19, 2018 4:04 AM |
There is something Jan Brady about Toni Collette.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | September 19, 2018 4:10 AM |
R73, 74 & 78 is the most tedious poster I’ve come across in a long time.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | September 19, 2018 4:29 AM |
Too many words for you to read, you old queen?
by Anonymous | reply 81 | September 19, 2018 4:35 AM |
I think what R73 etc. posted was fascinating.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | September 19, 2018 4:59 AM |
You can spout all the box offic crap you want, or show me all the letter grades that distracted frat boys and single moms gave this thing, but you're never gonna convince me hereditary is anything less than a brand new horror masterpiece, and just wait and see. Wait and see. This thing will slowly but surely infect the culture. There will be jokes and references made here and there and everybody will get them but won't really know why.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | September 19, 2018 5:23 AM |
R77 So whaddya want from me ? I'm typing on the fly, surreptitiously, from work, and from my phone.
Geez.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | September 19, 2018 7:11 AM |
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